Chinese Domain Scam

This is very much outside the usual sphere of gaming chatter I drop onto this blog, but I feel that it’s important to bring up, especially since it’s something I’ve come across and done some research on.

There is a Chinese domain scam that’s been going around- one such thing I’ve read on this is here.

This whole thing started with an email that I received on Tuesday night. This is what it says:

Dear CEO/Principal,

This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on February 22,2017. that a company claimed “Aicte Ltd” were applying to register “esterior” as their Network Brand and some “esterior” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aicte Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

(This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

Best Regards,
Vince Lee
Senior Consultant Manager

At first, I took it at face value, but when I come back to it later, I found myself a little more confused and wondering about it because there are things that do not line up.

Let’s start with the email itself.

I did some looking around and found that the domain being used in my reply to email is this: ttipr.com.cn. A quick check of the domain sends me to tomitt.org, which claims to be a server farm of some sort, but there are some oddities on the site.

There are multiple issues I already see on the site. The logo/name, and especially the fact that the email icon in the upper right hand corner is not clickable. Doing some more research around this website, I keep finding more oddities. The help and support links, which took some time to find, are not even clickable.

I did some digging into the domain itself and found that it is tied to someone who registered it via a phone number, and connected to a tencent domain. Doing more research on that, I find that there are more domains, some that are no longer active, that have been registered to that person.

The next issue is that the only thing I can find about ‘Aicte Ltd’ is that I think it’s referencing AICTE – the All India Council for Technology Education. There are no signs that there are any need for the esterior.whatever domains through that site, especially considering the source of the name.

Besides, they’ll have a hell of a job trying to take rank away from my own domain, I suspect? A search for ‘esterior’ gets you sites in Spanish… and, unsurprisingly, Endless History.

So with this bit of evidence, and everything else I’ve read, I’ve decided I won’t answer this email- but good job for getting me with something I hadn’t seen before. It was fun researching it.

52 thoughts on “Chinese Domain Scam”

  1. Received the same email today but with my own domain inserted in the email and the company name “Aitel Ltd” used for the ‘interested’ company. Indeed looks like a scam. Perhaps the intention is to hurry you into purchasing the other domain names to prevent the company getting hold of them. Whatever the scam, I’m giving it a wide berth.

  2. I got the same type of thing too. I have a feeling it is a scam to make me buy names from them. I Googled and found your blog see you guys are getting the same thing.

    Dear CEO/Principal,

    This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on March 1,2017. that a company claimed “Aicte Ltd” were applying to register “organiclearskin” as their Network Brand and some “organiclearskin” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

    Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aicte Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Vince Lee

    Senior Consultant Manager

    1. Philip
      I got the same email and thanks to your and others information it has confirmed my concerns
      Dear CEO/Principal,

      This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on April 25,2017. that a company claimed “Aerials Ltd” were applying to register “securitelsecurity” as their Network Brand and some “securitelsecurity” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

      Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aerials Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

      (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

      Best Regards,

      Vince Lee

      Senior Consultant Manager

  3. Thanks for the blog post,

    I got the same email; supposedly (like in commentator Larry North’s case) a company named “Aitel Ltd” wants to register our domain.

    I suspected that some scammer wants me to do registration at some overpriced rate. Thanks to your post, Google led me here and somewhat confirmed my suspicion.

    –> I’ll ignore it.

  4. Thanks for flagging this up, I just got the same email and was puzzling over the validity of it
    ;-)

  5. My company received the same Email by Vince Lee. This time it was refered to Aerials LTD. I checked the web and i also founded strange things. Its also funny that if you check the availability of some domain names, you always receive the same reply.

    Somebody at my company replied the first email before I could read it. Since then we have received more emails threatening us about the legal property of the domains.

    We are a spanish company and now im trying to find the right method to report it to the authorities.

    Many thanks for the post.

  6. Hi:
    I am from Spain and I have received something very similar but a little different and also signed from another person or another name. I am not going to pay attention to it.
    Here you are.

    Dear Sir/Madam

    About the “neurocoachpatricia”, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on March 30, 2017, we received an application named “Carebery Company” and they apply to register neurocoachpatricia as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.

    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Carebery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Roger Lee

    Senior Adviser Manager

    1. Thanks for posting! I recently received the Roger Lee/Carebery Company one as well…So glad I stumbled across this site, as I didn’t know if I should be worried…so sick of all of the scams!!!

  7. Thanks for the post. My company is located in France. Received the Vince Lee’s email today referering to “Aerials Ltd”. 100% scam.

  8. Thanks for the post. Same here, referring to “Carebery Company” but from Luke Wong. My company is in Malaysia.

  9. This is the one I received some minutes ago.
    Thanks for posting!!! 100% SCAM!!!
    My Company is in Italy

    From: “Vince Lee”

    Dear CEO/Principal,

    This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on April 4,2017. that a company claimed “Aerials Ltd” were applying to register “XXXXX.xxx” as their Network Brand and some “XXXXX.xxx” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

    Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aerials Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Vince Lee

    Senior Consultant Manager

  10. Thanks for the information! My company is located in Estonia. Same here – received e-mail from Luke Wong and ” Carebery Company “

  11. Thanks for the information, was puzzling over it. Mine was from Owen Chen regarding ‘Carebery company’
    I’m in UK

  12. Thanks! We are located in Hong Kong. Same thing – received e-mail from Luke Wong and ”Carebery Company “. Thanks for the flag, most helpful!

  13. Thanks, same mail here and this thread has confirmed its a scam. Subtle difference is the name of the company wanting to register our domain.

    Dear CEO/Principal,

    This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on April 11,2017. that a company claimed “Aerials Ltd” were applying to register “******” as their Network Brand and some “******” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

    Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aerials Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Vince Lee

    Senior Consultant Manager

  14. Received the same kind of mail today

    “Dear CEO/Principal,
    This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on April 18,2017. that a company claimed “Aerials Ltd” were applying to register “medwinmaritime” as their Network Brand and some “medwinmaritime” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.
    Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aerials Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.
    (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)
    Best Regards,
    Vince Lee
    Senior Consultant Manager”

  15. Beware! This is what I received:

    Dear CEO/Principal,

    This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on April 5,2017. that a company claimed “Aerials Ltd” were applying to register “zouxou” as their Network Brand and some “zouxou” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

    Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aerials Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Vince Lee

    Senior Consultant Manager

  16. Got the same email

    Dear CEO/Principal,

    This is Vince Lee—Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in China. Here I have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on April 28,2017. that a company claimed “Aerials Ltd” were applying to register “prosourcecenter” as their Network Brand and some “prosourcecenter” Asian countries top-level domain names(in/hk/tw/etc) and China (CN) domain names through our firm.

    Now we are handling this registration, and after our initial checking, we found the name were similar to your company’s, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays, so that we could handle this issue better. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Aerials Ltd”. Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (This is a very important case, so please transfer this email to your CEO or Principal. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Vince Lee

  17. Received a email from Vince Lee with the Aerials Ltd company name.
    Sent back an email with threats of legal action if they go through with the registration. Just for shits and giggles, wanna see what they reply.
    Thanks for the heads up!

  18. I too received the same email (with my domain plugged in)
    It’s obviously a scam but I don’t know what their angle is. I was going to play along just enough to find out but then I thought, “do I really care? I’ve got better ways to waste my time!”

  19. Just got one too. Vince Lee again but the company name has changed to Berries Ltd. Thank you all for warning us.

  20. This is what we got this morning. Another scam email. But this one is from Roger Lee. Thanks for warning people.

    Dear Sir/ Ms,

    We are a Domain Name registration service company. Today we received an application from Rachel Guo International. They applied for registration of gfinlanoie as their Brand Name and some top-level domain names ( TLDs). The main parts of these domains are the same as your used name. We are not sure whether your company has anything to do with that company.

    Now we need to confirm whether the application is authorized by your company. Please let me know as soon as possible in order that we can deal with the problem in time. Awaiting your reply soon.

    Yours faithfully,

    Roger Lee
    Tel:+86-551-6349-1193
    Fax:+86-551-6349-1192
    Room 806,Fortune Square,No.278,Suixi Road,Hefei China

  21. En la empresa donde trabajo en Guatemala nos llego esto… y pues pensamos que era verdad pero al parecer es una estafa…

    Estimado CEO / Director,

    Esta es Vince Lee — Consultor Senior de registro de nombres de dominio y el centro de soluciones en China. Aquí tengo algo que confirmar con usted. Hemos recibido una solicitud formal el 10 de julio de 2017. que una empresa alegó “bayas Ltd” se aplica a registrar “smart-talento” como su marca de la red y un poco de “smart-talento” países asiáticos de nivel superior de nombres de dominio (en / HK / tw / etc) y los nombres de dominio de china (CN) a través de nuestra firma.

    Ahora estamos manejando este registro, y después de la comprobación inicial, encontramos el nombre fueron similares a los de su empresa, por lo que tenemos que comprobar con usted si su empresa ha autorizado a esa empresa a registrar estos nombres. Si usted autorizó esto, estaríamos terminar el registro a la vez. Si usted no ha autorizado, por favor sepamos dentro de los 7 días de trabajo, por lo que podríamos manejar mejor este tema. Después de la fecha límite nosotros incondicional terminar el registro de “bayas Ltd”. Esperamos su pronta respuesta.

    (Este es un caso muy importante, así que por favor transferir este mensaje a su CEO o Director. Muchas gracias.)

    Atentamente,

    Vince Lee

    Director Senior Consultant

    Usted sabe que el registro de nombres de dominio está abierto en el mundo “bayas Ltd” también tiene el derecho a solicitar los nombres de dominio disponibles. es suficiente con los derechos de preferencia para registrarlos.

    En la actualidad, no hemos pasado su aplicación, necesitamos su opinión. Si su empresa cuenta estos nombres de importancia para los negocios o intereses de su empresa, le sugiero que su empresa registrar estos nombres primero con el fin de evitar la confusión o la especulación. Por supuesto, si este registro no afectará a entrar en conflicto y su empresa, entonces podemos finalizar el registro de ellos según nuestro deber. Por favor, dame la decisión de su compañía tan pronto como sea posible con el fin de manejar mejor este tema.
    ¡Que tengas un buen día!
    Atentamente,
    Vince Lee
    Director Senior Consultant
    Tel: + 86-553-8366231 || Fax: + 86-553-8366231
    Dirección: No.8-8018, Construcción de la Paz, Jinghu Distrito, la ciudad de Wuhu, China
    Aviso: Con respecto al caso de diferencias y el nombre de dominio registrado, que no recibió ninguna respuesta de su hasta ahora. En cuanto a los nombres de dominios mencionados y la Red Marca favor confirmar si es necesario registrar los nombres por los mismos? Si la necesidad, por favor háganoslo saber en el tiempo, podemos enviar un Contrato de Registro de aplicación en su caso. Si piensa que el registro de dicha empresa o el uso de los siguientes nombres de dominio no traerá ningún efecto negativo para su empresa, le sugiero que se puede renunciar a estos nombres de dominio, a continuación, vamos a aceptar que la aplicación de empresa incondicionalmente. Tiene más preguntas a mí en el tiempo.
    Atentamente,
    Vince Lee
    Director Senior Consultant
    Tel: + 86-553-8366231 || Fax: + 86-553-8366231
    Dirección: No.8-8018, Construcción de la Paz, Jinghu Distrito, la ciudad de Wuhu, ChinaAviso: Hola, soy Vince Lee Habíamos discutido el caso sobre disputando los nombres de dominio de su empresa y la Red de Marca. Nunca se ha registrado estos nombres de dominio y Red Brand, y les había dicho que el registro del nombre de dominio está abierto. El período de disputas llegará pronto. Si su empresa no registra estos nombres de dominio y Red Brand, vamos a terminar registro de la empresa antes mencionada dentro de 2 días de trabajo. esa compañía se convertirá en el propietario legal de estos nombres de dominio en el mundo. Le había notificado, por lo que no son responsables de cualquier pregunta controversia acerca de su derecho de propiedad intelectual y marcas registradas después de que tengan éxito en el registro. Si tienes alguna pregunta, por favor póngase en contacto con nosotros dentro de 2 días laborables.
    Atentamente,
    Vince Lee
    Director Senior Consultant
    Tel: + 86-553-8366231 || Fax: + 86-553-8366231
    Dirección: No.8-8018, Construcción de la Paz, Jinghu Distrito, la ciudad de Wuhu, China

  22. me too!

    Dear Sir/Madam

    About the “—-“, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on July 13, 2017, we received an application named “Cerlery Company” and they apply to register —– as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.

    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Cerlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Roger Lee

    Senior Adviser Manager

    1. Me too, Same Email. from Email.
      Probably these guys are inserting three variables :
      1. Date
      2. Name of our Company
      3. Some Random Name for Applicant Company

      Rest all content is word-to-word same. Many thanks for sharing this information.

    2. Me too, Same Email.
      Probably these guys are inserting three variables :
      1. Date
      2. Name of our Company
      3. Some Random Name for Applicant Company

      Rest all content is word-to-word same. Many thanks for sharing this information.

  23. Ive just received something similar…what do they hope to get from you ? what do they gain ?
    “We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on July 19, 2017, we received an application named “Cerlery Company” and they apply to register illonamclay as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.”
    On first read you know its not right but ….there’s a niggling doubt !!

  24. Dear Sir/Madam

    About the ****”, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on July 20, 2017, we received an application named “Cerlery Company” and they apply to register **** as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.

    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Cerlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Roger Lee

    Senior Adviser Manager

  25. Thanks! Same email, different Asian… lol.

    “Dear Sir/Madam
    About the “xxxxxxxxxx “, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on July 20, 2017, we received an application named “Cerlery Company” and they apply to register xxxxxxxxxx as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.
    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Cerlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.
    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)
    Best Regards,
    Luke Wong
    Senior Adviser Manager”

  26. I got the same thing today, but it went to my spam folder so I figured it had to be ‘spam.’ Plus it was chock full of grammatical errors (never a good sign for validity!).

  27. Just got the same thing. Thanks for the legwork here, friends. Looks like they at least figured out that they need to change the name in the email, probably due to this page.

    Dear Sir/Mada

    About the “secondordersolutions”, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on August 2, 2017, we received an application named “Perlery Company” and they apply to register secondordersolutions as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.

    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Perlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.

    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)

    Best Regards,

    Roger Lee

    Senior Adviser Manager

  28. Got the same one from ROGER Lee & “Perlery Company”:

    Dear Sir/Madam
    About the “(ourcompanyname)”, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on August 24, 2017, we received an application named “Perlery Company” and they apply to register (ourcompanyname) as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.
    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Perlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.
    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)
    Best Regards,
    Roger Lee
    Senior Adviser Manager
    ________________________________________

  29. I guess that Perlery Company is pretty active. I got the similar email from Roger Lee today that they are interested in a domain like ours, too . . .

  30. Thank you for doing the research on this scam. I was a little concerned and am so grateful I Googled and found your post.

    Dear Sir/Madam
    About the “xxxxxx”, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on August 30, 2017, we received an application named “Perlery Company” and they apply to register xxxxxx as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.
    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Perlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.
    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)
    Best Regards,
    Roger Lee
    Senior Adviser Manager
    ________________________________________
    TOI
    IT Service Center

  31. Thank you very much for posting all the information.

    I’ve received the same email as posted:

    Dear Sir/Madam
    About the “xxxxxxxxxx”, we have some thing to comfirm with you! We are an agency engaging in registering brand name and domain names, on August 23, 2017, we received an application named “Perlery Company” and they apply to register xxxxxxxxxx as their brand name and some top-level asian domain names. But we found the main body of domain names is same as yours. We are not sure about the relationship between you and them.
    As the registrar, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we would finish the registration at once. If you did not authorize, please let us know within 7 workdays. After the deadline we will unconditionally finish the registration for “Perlery Company” Looking forward to your prompt reply.
    (Please kindly foward this email to your CEO or appropriate person. Thanks a lot.)
    Best Regards,
    Roger Lee
    Senior Adviser Manager
    ________________________________________

    I replied to the email stating that we didn’t authorize anybody to register the name we are working under for more than 38 years.

    Again and again I’ve received now emails from “Roger Lee” and it doesn’t stop at all.

    Finally I did some research in the internet and I’m more than happy to find all this posts.

    In my opinion “TOI and it’s Senior Adviser Manager Roger Lee” are trying to get our bests – our money.

  32. I got the same email but from Luke Wong, I decided to write a reply and i then received another email “encouraging” me to protect our copyright and buy the domains the company was trying to register.

    I’ll be swerving this for obvious reasons.

  33. As many others have said, thanks for digging into this. We (my companies information email) received an email from Vince Lee today. IGNORE.

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